October 11, 2002
Waiting For Lefty

Larry Miller has graciously apologized for saying that the Buzzcocks had been booed at a concert for dissing Bush. It turns out that the story is essentially true, but that the band involved was Blink-182. (I gather that Miller is as unfamiliar with the music of both as I am.) The correction to the correction has now been mentioned on Ted Barlow and many other sites. I wonder how long it will take for 'Hesiod' to get around to apologizing for calling Miller "a lying sack of pig shit" and suggesting that he will soon be "out of a job" at the Weekly Standard.

Bush fans who enjoy schadenfreude may want to stop by Counterspin Central. Poor 'Hesiod' is in semi-freakout, semi-meltdown mode, lashing out at the Democrats and their leadership as "stupid", "chickenshits", "idiot[s]", and lots more here and here. He's right, of course, in his epithets, even if his reasoning is backwards. And his spelling continues to deteriorate.

Posted by Dr. Weevil at October 11, 2002 12:07 PM

semi-freakout, semi-meltdown mode ... and this differs from his usual frothing ignorant ravings how?

Posted by: Robin Roberts on October 11, 2002 06:41 PM

War, what is it good for?

Uh, let's see....

Freeing a new nation from imperialist oppression.


Freeing slaves.


Liberating Europe....twice.

....thus stopping the Holocaust.

Freeing a small nation invaded by a larger neighbor.

Any more inane questions?

Posted by: MonkeyPants on October 12, 2002 09:29 AM

Hey Monkeybrains...

Which one of those Wars has anything at all to do with Iraq?

Only a mornonic wrongwonger would attack my cutesy headline [ever hear of Edwin Starr?], as though it had anything to do with the substance of my argument.

Posted by: hesiod on October 12, 2002 01:27 PM

"Wrongwonger"? I think that Hesiod meant "wrongwinger." Still an inappropriate and cheap ad hominem attack, but at the very least, it could be spelled correctly, could it not?

Incidentally, Hesiod, did you ever hear of respectfully disagreeing with your opponents instead of constantly slinging the same tiring insults at them, and consequently making yourself look childish and petulant? This change of tactics might be helpful, you know.

Just a friendly suggestion old chap.

Posted by: Pejman Yousefzadeh on October 12, 2002 02:42 PM

By no means should Edwin Starr's song "War" be mistaken for the substance of Hesiod's argument. Edwin Starr's song "War" actually exists.

Posted by: Paul Zrimsek on October 12, 2002 03:55 PM

Hesiod is a sh*thead.

Posted by: anti-Hesiod on October 13, 2002 01:12 AM

Ahh yes- the true voice of the anitwar Left is heard.

Posted by: David Paglia on October 13, 2002 07:55 AM

So I can expect to see you guys lining up at the recruitment center *when*???

[Fake e-mail address with anonymous coward's obscenity has been deleted.]

Posted by: dave on October 13, 2002 05:18 PM

BTW, I get a kick out of this "Miller was right, he just got the names wrong" blather. So if I write a story saying "President" Tipsy McStagger is a crazed mass-murdering drug abuser, and when I'm called on it, I say "oh, sorry, I meant Charles Manson," all of you guys would be standing up in my defense... right???

Of course, I'd be left to deal with the slander suit Manson would file on my own...

[Fake e-mail address with anonymous coward's obscenity has been deleted.]

Posted by: dave on October 13, 2002 05:22 PM

no fair!! how come Hesiod gets an anti-Hesiod? why's he so special?

Posted by: Dr. Limerick on October 13, 2002 06:24 PM

[Highly intelligent, biting criticism that made chickenbloggers look like idiots has been deleted].

Posted by: Hesiod on October 13, 2002 07:21 PM

Once again, Hesiod does a fine job of showing what a flaming ass he is.

Posted by: Robin Roberts on October 13, 2002 07:32 PM

I really get a good laugh when Mr. Anonymous, "I won't have comments on my blog" does this stuff. It really sheds light on what a petulant little creep he is.

He's done something no other person could do: He makes the rhetoric of Ann Coulter seem almost statesman-like.

It's amazing how he went from a what appeared to be a level headed (always wrong of course) liberal blogger to a spittling, incoherent, non-spelling loon. I mean really...when you get to the point where you're posting entries that imply, "I can beat you up", then you've really gone off your rocker.

He's at the point where if you disagree with him, you're a liar, nothing more.


Posted by: Jay Caruso on October 13, 2002 09:38 PM

A real liberal who opposed war would be profoundly saddened, but respectful of democracy and ready to stand behind our leaders now that the decision has been made.

Wouldn't you think?

I'll be posting a message from a Vietnam veteran on my web site soon that Hesiod may want to read, by the way.

Posted by: Dean Esmay on October 13, 2002 10:18 PM

I think maybe "hesiod" was implying that Monkeypants' wong was not right for him. Good luck in locating the correct wong, "hesiod".

Posted by: David Perron on October 14, 2002 04:51 AM

The leftists complain that there is no dialog in the war talk. They are right. They refuse to counter arguments with anything more than emotion. They have sortchanged dialog with their childishness. It's distracting at best, infuriating at worst. Hesiod occasionally rises to the lowest level of discussion.

Posted by: billhedrick on October 14, 2002 08:47 AM

Point of information:

If you replace the name "Buzzcocks" with the name "Blink-182," Miller's story is still not true.

Did Blink-182 yell "fuck Bush"? Apparently, yes.

Did the crowd react in stunned silence, followed by first one here, then one there, a growing crecendo of dramatic boos?

No. No one who was there reports any such thing. Rolling Stone reports no such thing. It was a PUNK ROCK concert, not an Up With People half-time show. The SEX PISTOLS played this gig.

The hard-core punk fans DID boo the Blinketeers, but not for anything they said. They got booed for being "sell-outs" and MTV pop-idols. If they -- or if, say, Green Day -- had taken the stage and shouted "God Bless America and God Bless our president, George W. Bush!" They still would have been booed.

Posted by: slacktivist on October 14, 2002 03:58 PM

Well -- how exactly is that "not true"? Let's consider the source here: Larry Miller is obviously not knowledgeable about punk bands past or present. His source was apparently a friend who accompanied his daughter to the show -- she was the fan. The father knew it was a show headlining the Buzzcocks from what his daughter told him and probably fliers lying around. Otherwise no doubt all the bands seemed more or less the same obnoxious noise to him. Later, when Blink 182 came on, he heard the "fuck Bush" remark, observed the boos of the crowd, but did not know the reason behind the crowd noise being the "sellout" stuff -- to him the crowd very well could have been booing the anti-Bush remark. Misinterpretation, not lies.

Then again, some of the catcalls could very well have been because of the anti-Bush remark, and the Rolling Stone reporter misinterpreted it, or was standing in the anti-Blink-182's-sellout area, not the pro-Bush (or at least, anti-Blink-182-shooting-off-their-mouths-about-Bush-or-anything) area.

Posted by: Andrea Harris on October 15, 2002 01:43 AM

"No one who was there reports any such thing."

And therefore it never happened.

Unless blink-182 cries foul like the Buzzcocks did, there is no reason to believe the boos didn't happen. And there is no reason to fly off the handle screaming "liar." One lefty blogger who shall go nameless already looks like a fool because of that.

Posted by: Henry Hanks on October 17, 2002 02:06 PM

Let's see: A comedian who wasn't there says X happened. ALL the bands that were there, the thousands in the crowd, and every reporter who covered the event contradict the story -- which has already appeared in three distinct versions -- yet you want to toss all that and side with the lone ranger's version? Odd.

I wish Mr. Miller and Mr. Burditt the best with the planned sitcom on ABC, but I don't believe a word of what they've said about the K-ROQ festival.

Posted by: slacktivist on October 22, 2002 02:58 PM

On the whole, I'd say that in this very thread we have proof that the blogging community can achieve standards of reportage and content value every bit as low as those of the paid mainstream professionals. Go Blogistan!

Posted by: Ulrika O'Brien on October 23, 2002 04:08 PM