September 06, 2002
The Shropshire Challenge

Philip Shropshire of WarbloggerWatch (no link for him) thinks that no one can support the war on Iraq unless he is willing to join the army right now and fight himself. He even names me as one of those morally obligated to join up:

If you believe that this is a just war and you're young and able, then enlist Dr. Weevil, Pejman, Mike the Dog, and/or Godless.

(Since I don't want to give Shropshire a link, I've quoted his slur from this interesting new site.)

Unfortunately, I myself am not young and able enough for the U.S. armed forces: I know for a fact that they do not accept asthmatic 49-year-old recruits for service in any capacity.

On the other hand, whatever his physical age, Philip Shropshire can very easily put his life on the line for the anti-war cause, if he has the guts to do so. Just last Thursday, I heard someone on the radio recruiting 'human shields' to go to Iraq. (I think it must have been NPR, since the rest of the show was all about what a goddess of political wisdom Cynthia McKinney is.) The recruiter said there was a preference for older hostages human shields, but it was clear that there is no specific age-limit, and 'older' was not defined. I suspect he meant 'over 18': even the most idiotic idiotarians have some sense that sending children into a war zone is immoral. Just three days ago, InstaPundit provided a link to an organization recruiting 'non-violent activists' to go to Iraq to help prevent war.

So, I offer the Shropshire challenge: It's time to put up or shut up. Either go to Iraq or shut the Hell up about 'chickenhawks'. As I've said before (point 2 of this post), I will be glad to contribute to the cost of the trip. A one-way ticket would suffice. If Shropshire survives the war that is already beginning, I'm sure the U.S. Air Force will fly him back to the western hemisphere for free, probably in time for Christmas. Whether that would be in leg-irons and blindfolds to Guantanamo Bay or in a window seat to an air force base in Delaware depends on what he does when he gets to Iraq. That is not entirely easy to predict, since his loathing and contempt for the United States and his professed pacifism will pull him in two different directions. If loathing wins out, he can sign up with the Iraqi armed forces, filling in for one of the many deserters, perhaps aiming an anti-aircraft gun at U.S. and British aircraft, like a latter-day Jane Fonda, but without the looks. (On the other hand, his 6'5", 280-pound physique would also allow him to display his abundant guts, as it were, in hand-to-hand combat.) If pacifism or cowardice wins out, he can just stand around waving a white flag in front of a germ-warfare 'baby milk' factory with the other human shields. I don't much care which he does, but he needs to put up or shut up.

Here's the second part of my proposal: I think 'warbloggers' should fund Phil's flight. According to Travelocity, a one-way flexible-date ticket from Pittsburgh to Amman on Turkish Airlines runs $665, "not including applicable charges". Adding the applicable charges, cab fare to the Pittsburgh airport, and bus fare from Jordan to Iraq, the total cost should still be well under $1000 per person. I say "per person", because I think we should also send 'Hesiod', 'Atrios', most of the other WarbloggerWatchers, and anyone else who thinks 'chickenhawks' is an appropriate term to refer to supporters of war on Iraq. There are a lot more of us than of them, so a lot of small contributions will do the trick. I offer $20. Please put your pledges in the comments section, and I will keep a running total here:

The Shropshire Challenge Fund:


plus a set of free luggage, more than one pair of free underwear, a wireless security camera (I'm sure that will impress the Iraqi secret police), two bullets (at least one with a name on it), a Culture Club CD, and the following monetary pledges for other candidates (in alphabetical order):

$1,000 for Eric Alterman,
$50 for 'Atrios',
$50 for 'Eric A. Blair',
$2,059 for Noam Chomsky (he can fly first class),
$200 for Ramsey Clark,
$20 for Phil Donahue,
$50 for 'Hesiod',
$200 for Jesse Jackson,
$10 for Norm Jenson,
$10 for Jak King,
$140 for Mark Konrad,
$60 for Jason Lubyk,
$1,000 for Norman Mailer,
$320 for Michael Moore,
$10 for Grady Olivier,
and $1,000 each for the editorial board of The Nation.

(Either 'Cousin Larry' is prosperous enough to pledge multiple $1,000 contributions or he's us -- not that we're likely to have to call his bluff.)

-- And that's not even counting Randy Reynolds' offer to pay for Shropshire's whole ticket. Can I keep the change? Or should we offer to pay his first month's hotel bill in Baghdad? What with all the armor being shipped to the Gulf, it looks like a month will be more than enough.

No need to send me the money now. Your pledge will need to be fulfilled only if Philip and his allies in the struggle for peace and justice actually go to Iraq. Somehow I consider that unlikely.

Update: (7:30 PM)

The indented paragraph after the big red number is new. I should also have included Eric Alterman among those who go around calling other people 'chickenhawks'. And Stefan Sharkansky reminds us (comment 15) that human shields are also needed in Israel -- not the weenies who stood guard over Arafat last spring, but people with the guts to help protect Israeli pizza parlors and dance-halls from Arafat and his homicidal cronies. Though I'd forgotten it, that post probably helped give me the idea for this one.

Update: (September 7th, 12:30 AM)

Normally blog entries don't change once posted, but this is just to say that the larger-print indented portion of this one will continue to change as more offers come in.

So far, the only objection in the comments is from Mark Konrad, an actual neoNazi. I didn't put him up to it, any more than the Bush administration asked Jimmy Carter to denounce their Iraq plans in the Washington Post. It would have been worth paying Carter a great deal to further discredit the anti-war movement, but I'm sure he was glad to do it for free.

Posted by Dr. Weevil at September 06, 2002 01:13 PM

Great idea! I see i'm first in line,
so i'll match your twenty. this should be

Posted by: robert mitchell jr. on September 6, 2002 02:16 PM

I'm in. E-mail me if he goes.

Posted by: Colin on September 6, 2002 03:15 PM

Count me in for $50.


Posted by: R. Alex on September 6, 2002 03:26 PM

Put me up for $100, please

Posted by: Misha on September 6, 2002 04:16 PM

I'm in for $50, and will spread the word.

Posted by: Toren on September 6, 2002 04:28 PM

I'm in for $20. I'll double it if you can assure me it goes for Shropshire's personal transportation.

Posted by: Aaron Haspel on September 6, 2002 04:34 PM

Fifty from the DailyPundit. A hundred if Philly takes Eric from WarBabyBlabber with him. And I'm linking in now.

Posted by: Bill Quick on September 6, 2002 04:50 PM

count me in for $20! A worthy cause indeed.

Posted by: Jeremy Nolen on September 6, 2002 04:59 PM

I'm in for $20.

Posted by: Stevan Naylor on September 6, 2002 05:14 PM

Put me down for $20.

Posted by: Lawrence Haws on September 6, 2002 05:41 PM

I would pay almost anything to see an idiotarian in
front of a germ-warfare, I mean 'baby milk' factory.

They'd look great on that little JDAM cam.

And since I put 20 years in the military, I guess I get to put in my 2 cents about war with Iraq. Which better start soon.

Put me down for 1 ticket, 1 way for the first idiot
who wants to go. I'll be damn happy to pay it.

Posted by: Randy Reynolds on September 6, 2002 05:41 PM

I'm in for $50.

If there's many left over, maybe we could pay him to send back daily missives on the glory that is Iraq so we can track his steady deterioration and disillusionment and he comes to realize what a fool he has been.

Posted by: charles austin on September 6, 2002 06:01 PM

This is an idea I support 100%. Helps restore the Karmic Balance in many, many ways. Put me down for $100 as well. Give me a couple of glossies of the look on Phil's face taken from the missle cam (is that a JDAM like mentioned above?)in the nose of a Hellfire right before it makes him an anti-war martyr, and I'll double it on the spot.

Posted by: Neal on September 6, 2002 06:22 PM

I'll put down $50 per person for any or all of the following:

Jason Lubyk

Posted by: godlesscapitalist on September 6, 2002 06:49 PM

Put me down for $100. I don't want to spread myself too thin as I already have on the table an offer to pay for all of the travel expenses for someone who will volunteer to go to Israel to serve as a human shield against suicide bombings.
(no takers yet)

Posted by: Stefan Sharkansky on September 6, 2002 07:26 PM

Put me down for $150.00. It's a serious offer from me, $150.00 is comin' up as soon as the put up!

I'll even spring for a 3-pack of white underwear from each of them (their choice of boxers or tighty-whiteys). They can wear one, tie one to a stick for their personal flag of surrender, and still have a clean pair in reserve to change in to after they fill the one their wearing with the lemonade of their loins (which should happen the first time these guys hear a bullet go by them).


Posted by: James R. Rummel on September 6, 2002 07:50 PM

I'll throw in my $20, and my two cents as well:

I served in the military, and spent quite a bit of time within the range of Saddam's missiles.

I'm willing to go again, if they say they need me.

Will Shropshire et al please shut up now?

Posted by: Scott Koenig on September 6, 2002 07:57 PM

I'm in for $50. I'll also spring for one of those cute wireless "security" cameras that keep showing up in pop-up windows. We always get the camera angle from the missiles going in...never the view from the ground.

Posted by: Frank Purnell on September 6, 2002 07:57 PM

I'll donate the luggage!!

Posted by: lip on September 6, 2002 07:58 PM

Since ScrappleFace has only been in "business" about two weeks, I'm in for $14. If we can nominate folks, I put forward the names of those great friends of the USA Jacques Chirac and Norman Mailer...though they probably won't need my money.

Scott Ott

Posted by: Scott Ott on September 6, 2002 07:58 PM

I'll pay the full K for Alterman. Mailer too, if he wants to go. And for a limited time, if Chomsky takes the offer I'll also gladly sponsor the editorial staff at The Nation. Otherwise, I'm in for $100.

Posted by: Cousin Larry on September 6, 2002 08:04 PM

This is one of those ideas that makes me smack my head in frustration at the fact that I didn't think of it. Brilliant, good Doctor. Needless to say, I linked to your post.

I will put up $10 each for the following people:

1. The Shropshire-Sometimes-Slasher-And-More-Often-Slashee;

2. Norm Jenson, he of one lousy move after another;

3. Everyone's favorite anti-Semite, Jak King;

4. Grady Olivier, of WBW infamy;

5. Jason Lubyk (in the same boat as Grady).

Needless to say, I don't expect any of these lesser lights to actually cause me to pay up. It's far easier to act like a latter day McCarthy and announce that you have, in your hand, a list of "chickenhawks." Far be it for the members of the antiwar Left to put its money anywhere near their mouths.

Posted by: Pejman Yousefzadeh on September 6, 2002 08:11 PM

I'm unemployed right now, I'll throw in $5 bucks, if I get a job, I'll toss in $20 bucks.

Posted by: Jabba the Nutt on September 6, 2002 08:16 PM

I am retired and on *fixed income*, never the less, Here is my $20

Posted by: Don L. on September 6, 2002 08:18 PM

As one who beat the draft by enlisting and spent 1971 1977 on active duty hunting (through communications intelligence) dirty commies in Yurrip, Ill gladly kick in fifty bucks and a special bonus one bullet in whatever caliber the winner chooses. (I suggest 7.62 mm since there will probably be a lot of AK-47s lying around once the play begins.)

Posted by: The Kid on September 6, 2002 08:46 PM

Hey, Doc! You listed all of the freebies that have been pledged like free luggage and wireless security cameras. But you forgot to include the free three-pack of underwear that I pledged!

It's very important. What mother hasn't said to their little Lefty anti-warrior "Wear clean underwear! What happens if you get hit by a daisy cutter?"


Posted by: James R. Rummel on September 6, 2002 08:49 PM

I'm in for $50, and will double it if any of the
poseurs takes a family member with him/her.

Posted by: Boris A.Kupershmidt on September 6, 2002 08:54 PM

I second James's post. Bear in mind that the extra underwear will be necessary for more than just "lemonade of [the] loins." There are also . . . er . . . backside emissions to worry about.

Whatever the anatomical outburst, be it #1 or #2, some of the idiotarians are more prone to accidents than others. After all, Norm Jenson is no spring chicken by his own account. Depends might fail him at an inopportune time. Lots and lots of clean underwear is therefore tremendously important.

Posted by: Pejman Yousefzadeh on September 6, 2002 08:54 PM

I'm in for $100 to send any of those idiots to Saddam's society.

I'll even donate $20 to an internet memorial fund commemorating their colossal stupidity for every one of them that managed to either 1) get killed in the line of duty for Saddam or 2) wind up with their keisters in some prisoner of war camp.

Posted by: Ben Wilson on September 6, 2002 08:57 PM

in for $20

Posted by: charles the 4th on September 6, 2002 09:10 PM

In most mock telethons, people promise extraordinary amounts just as a joke, knowing that people will never be called on their pledges. This one is interesting because the modest amounts pledged indicate that people are really serious.

Count me in for $100 on your original proposal for a one-way ticket--and I mean it. I would rather have those who would appease any evil over there appeasing people. Let them literally crawl before monsters, instead of just online.

We are at war already. Let them give aid and comfort to the enemy directly one-to-one.

Posted by: Ethan Edwards on September 6, 2002 09:29 PM

Once my veteran's benefits come in, I'll pitch in $20.

Posted by: The Iconoclast on September 6, 2002 09:29 PM

Hygiene and age issues aside, would not these peace warriors be better off with undies of color, preferably dark? Those whom they seek to protect were probably issued olive drab boxers and might soon be on the lookout for something white to wave in the breeze when the games begin, no?
That they might maintain their dignity I humbly suggest that your gifts be as black as your humor.

Posted by: The Kid on September 6, 2002 09:34 PM

I don't think plain underwear will be good enough. I offer a jumbo box of heavy duty "Depends".

Posted by: Rossz on September 6, 2002 09:37 PM

I am proud to donate one swift kick between his butt-cheeks to help him on his way. Whether he goes or not. And the same for anybody who fails to perceive that Norman Mailer has always written like a spoiled and semi-hysterical freshman coed writing her first sociology paper. God I feel so tired. Stupidity just wears you fugging *down* after a while, you know? It's so persistent, so toweringly pleased with itself, and so utterly insensate.


Louis J. Zurr

Posted by: TrailerPundit on September 6, 2002 09:55 PM

I'm good for $50.

Posted by: "mindles H. Dreck" on September 6, 2002 09:55 PM

My friends, I am in for a c-note. Realize that this must be fairly close to what an Iraqi soldier makes in a year. This, fellow conservatives, is what capitalism and freedom is all about: having the common sense and DISPOSABLE INCOME to make a positive change in the world.

Have a nice trip, Shopshire. I hope the in-flight movie is PATTON and should you pick up the pay book of a retreating Iraqi colonel then I hope and expect that your superior moral sense will see to it that I am rembursed.

Posted by: Proteus on September 6, 2002 09:59 PM

I'm not exactly flush with funds but I'll contribute $100 to provide a ticket for any and all of the named individuals (or anyone else who qualifies).

I'm not picky, though. So in addition to the offer to send them to Iraq on their peace/defend-the-poor-country-opressed-by-bully-American-Neocons mission, I'm also open to providing them a one-way ticket to any foreign nation of their choice outside this hemisphere and exempting Australia, New Zealand, Great Britain, India, Singapore, and Ireland, (any of the countries they consider a beacon and superior to the U.S. - but, again, not in North or South America) so long as they agree to renounce their citizenship and surrender their passports when they arrive.

Someone will probably throw the whole "oh, love it or leave it, you say, what rot" back in my face but hey - it's a free country. Millions of people left their homes to come here, no one's keeping anyone who'd rather be somewhere else.

P.S. as far as joining the military, their isn't the budgeting to support the troop level that would be required for everyone who supports action against Iraq to join (not to mention the economic consiquences of having the productive population enter the military, leaving only whiners and malcontents in the private sector). But I have said that if the military budget is increased to support a large expansion of the armed forces for war, I'll go re-enlist. Of course, that'll have to happen soon (so Shopshire, Hesiod et al - time to contact Dashle and Gephardt and tell them you support a massive increase in defense spending). It needs to happen in this upcomming fiscal year, though - I'm only a few months away from being too old (I'll be too old in March).

It is lovely, however, to see all these anti-war people support a massive increase in defense spending in order to pay the salaries and training for all of us. It's almost touching.

Almost, I say, because I know their not serious.

Posted by: Porphyrogenitus on September 6, 2002 10:13 PM

Put me down for $10, and you've given me an idea.

Posted by: file13 on September 6, 2002 10:20 PM

You've got $50 from me. Consider it my initiation fee into the Chickenhawk Club.

Posted by: Dean de Freitas on September 6, 2002 10:29 PM

I pledge $1,039 to pay for a second ticket for Chomsky, in case he misses the first flight.

Posted by: Ed. on September 6, 2002 11:03 PM

Im in for $25.00. But only if its a one way ticket.

Posted by: Pierre Legrand on September 6, 2002 11:18 PM

Short on money due mostly to my first child (funny how someone so small needs so *much* :) but I'll pledge $20 to sending one of these "worthies" over there.

Posted by: Laurence of the Rats on September 6, 2002 11:22 PM

$50 for the Shropshire slasher and $50 for the DU plagerist Hesiod.

Posted by: Robin Roberts on September 6, 2002 11:26 PM

This post made headline news.

Posted by: Steve on September 6, 2002 11:35 PM

I just found out about this debate; since I don't know any of the combatants, I'll hang onto my money for now.

However, don't bristle at the term "chickenhawk." A chickenhawk (typically, a Red Tailed Hawk) is one bad-ass mofu bird that FEEDS on chickens; grabs them, rips the feathers off, and eats them raw.

They also prey on rats, snakes, and other low, stupid, cowardly, ground-hugging mammals. So as the debate rages, keep in mind the "chickenhawks" are the noble predators; the rest are just meat on feet.

Draw your own parallels.


Posted by: FuxPam on September 6, 2002 11:52 PM

Completely illogical and irrelevant counter-offer.

Mr Shropshire can defend himself, of course, but I've gotta comment on this.

Shropshire is saying "Hey big boy, you want somebody else's kid to go attack somebody else's kid because you think it's a good idea ? Well OK, while you're at it why don't pick up a weapon and get your gung ho ass in there with the first wave of infantry yourself. Putting your own eyes or limbs or balls or life in danger might lend a little legitimacy to your RECMF routine (The "C" would be for "civilian"). And I think that's a perfectly reasonable request, regardless of the 49 yrs old, asthma, out of shape, flat feet, anal cysts (Limbaugh, ha ha), etc., etc. or any of the other "reasons" you and the other heroes can't be there for the party.

(I'm sure we could find you a job driving or riding in some mechanized battalion, btw, your age & asthma wouldn't be much of a hindrance there. That is if you were willing, of course.)

Shropshire is not promoting anything except the status quo, and less. You, on the other hand, are actively promoting a change in the status quo, that being an overwhelming attack and invasion.

Why would he be obliged to put himself in the position of standing there and being killed when his entire point is there should be no attack in the first place ?

To make it more simple: Shropshire says leave them alone. That hardly requires him to be there.

You, on the other hand, insist that the United States military forces should NOT leave them alone, that they should travel to Iraq, and thereby disrupt the status quo to kill people and break things.

If either has any moral obligation to be there and actively participate, it would most certainly be Dr Weevil, rather than Mr Shropshire. He has already made it quite clear that he wants no involvement in the deadly serious game that you would involve him in via your incorrect analogy and faulty logic.


Mark Konrad

Posted by: Mark Konrad on September 7, 2002 12:02 AM

I pledge $20.

Posted by: Jason Rush on September 7, 2002 12:06 AM

Wow the little german wanna be shows up!! LOL That brings back memories!! Nutting says fun like stomping kraut wanna bes LOL

Posted by: lip on September 7, 2002 12:21 AM

Put me down for $20 for Mark "No Jews, Just Right" Konrad's ticket, and another $20 to buy him a clue.

In a sense, you're right, Mark; it's an imprecise analogy. The proper place for anti-war "human shields" would be the site of the next terrorist target within the United States. If only we knew where that was, I'd pay your entire fare and board myself.

Yecch. I *must* be bored; I'm actually lowering myself to debating with a Nazi. Loathsome little creep. (Click on Konrad's name above if you want to know what I'm talking about.)

Posted by: Kevin Shaum on September 7, 2002 12:27 AM

Kevin: Not having run across Mr. Konrad before, I thought maybe you were exaggerating, but thirty seconds (heck, five seconds) at his site say otherwise. Ick.

Oh, and I'll throw in $20 to the pot, please.

Posted by: Michelle Dulak on September 7, 2002 12:44 AM

Wow! I just realized that if I made a donation to Mark Konrad's site, I'd get a free copy of THE TURNER DIARIES! In the immortal words of Samuel L Jackson, "shit negro, that's all you had to say!"

What HAS Ted been up to these days? Has the UN billion-dollar gift put a strain on the marriage to Jane? She seems a little 'high maintenence.' Also, where does he find the time to write? I would be spending all my spare time at Braves games.

Thanks for keeping the banner of multiculturalism flying high Mark! Can we hope to see a copy of Reverend Jackson's or Alan Horowitz's new books being given away on your site in the near future?

My tinfoil hat is off to you, sir!

Posted by: Proteus on September 7, 2002 12:53 AM

Insofar as I am a veteran, I've never considered the "chickenhawk" slur to be aimed at me. But, they've never asked my opinion, either, even though - at least in theory - they value it more than the non-veterans who believe, as I do, that the case for military action against Iraq has been amply made. So I'm in for US$50.

Posted by: The Dodd on September 7, 2002 01:19 AM

Bill me for $30 if any of these losers has the guts to put their lives on the line for their religon. I'll even throw in a half-case of condoms if y'all can get Germaine "American women should all wear veils to show opposition to war" Greer, Andrea "The Isreali/Palestinian conflict is being waged by the Israelis so they can subjugate Israeli and Palestinian women" Dworkin, or Barbara "The American flag is a symbol of hate and injustice" Kingslover to go...

Posted by: David Paglia on September 7, 2002 01:40 AM

Sounds like a noble cause. I'm in for $50 for any progressive who wants to go. I'll go as high as $200 (each!) for Ramsey Clark, Michael Moore, or Jesse Jackson--but only if they actually stay there until the bombing starts. (Knowing them, they'd arrange to fligh in for a quick photo-op kissing Saddam's tush, then scurry off to Cyprus before the tomahawks fly in...)

Yes, that could work out to $650 total. Cheap at the price.

Posted by: Andrew Solovay on September 7, 2002 05:08 AM

Count me in for $100. I'd also like a set of those JDAM photos when there available.

Posted by: Vince on September 7, 2002 07:52 AM

I'll spring for $20. In fact if that twenty is actually needed, I'll have enough time to figure how much I can really contribute.

Posted by: Ken Hahn on September 7, 2002 08:39 AM

I'm in for $100; it was a good night in college football.

My only request is that I get a picture, and weekly update (in brochure form) as to how my WarbloggerWatcher is spending his time, and how my donation is helping him/her.

Proteus, that was hilarious.

Posted by: Merlot BroHam on September 7, 2002 10:13 AM

Been on the sharp end myself. Only thing worse would be
being a civilian and being involved in a terrorist incident.
I'm good for $50. I'll even throw in another $20 so Konrad
can buy a tin suit....

Posted by: Larry (Ex E-5, US Army, RVN 69-71) on September 7, 2002 10:16 AM

Funds are too tight right now for me to contribute, but here's a suggestion to save y'all some money.

Since their ultimate fate, along with their Iraqi brethren, is probably to just surrender, skivvies fraught with you-know-what, to a team of crack French journalists anyway, why not just send them to Paris, where the fares are cheaper?

Posted by: Rand Simberg on September 7, 2002 10:55 AM

count me in for $50...I have a suggestion for MSNBC as well - you'd probably get more Donahue viewers if he did his show in Baghdad (simulcast on Al-Jazheera?)...along with Chris "I hate the neocons" Matthews. I know I'd watch just to catch that special look on their face when the JDAMS start bouncing the rubble on the studio floor

Posted by: F Gaines on September 7, 2002 11:25 AM

I was going to pledge something, too, but then it occurred to me that there's a much more direct way of demonstrating extra willingness to rid the world of these people, and it doesn't depend on their cooperation: graze on over to Idiotarii delenda est!

Posted by: Jay Manifold on September 7, 2002 11:27 AM

i'm in too...but won't michael moore require TWO SEATS? just wondering...

Posted by: dan truly on September 7, 2002 12:11 PM

Alright, I'm in for $20, as long as it doesn't turn out like that Alec Baldwin fiasco.

However, I am very much interested in irony, so I make the following specific proposals:

Mark Konrad be hanged with piano wire, as that was a favorite tactic of the Gestapo;

and re David Paglia's suggestion, I should think it more appropriate for Germaine, Andrea, and Barbara to be gang-raped by their Arab brethren, then properly executed according to the Sharia for their adultery and/or fornication.

Posted by: Ken Summers on September 7, 2002 12:52 PM

Seems like we've got plenty of money, so I'll donate the bullet. One round of 7.62X39 Russian, in either hollow point or FMJ, engraved with the lucky winner's name :-)

Posted by: Iron Fist on September 7, 2002 12:54 PM

Mr Konrad observes, "Shropshire is not promoting anything except the status quo, and less."

So, Mr Shropshire is accepts the status quo in least for Iraqis. If he won't endure the Iraqi status quo himself isn't he guilty of the hypocricy that has him so indignant when he sees it in others?

Posted by: Arthur Fleischman on September 7, 2002 01:35 PM

I'd buy Phil a copy of Culture Club's "Greatest Hits" for his Walkman on the journey. Then he can listen to his favourite tracks, particularly "Karma Chameleon", and that one that goes "War! War is stupid and people are stupid!" He'd like that...

Posted by: Murti Bing on September 7, 2002 02:18 PM

Ken, I'm sorry, but I think you're reading a little more into my comments than is there. I only wanted to see the distaff side of the idiotarian clan included in the sendoff (BTW: forgot Susan Sontag; couldn't leave HER behind!)along with their "male" counterparts. I was NOT advocating ANYONE's sexual abuse. The offer of a half-case of condoms was intended in the same spirit as the offer of clean underwear posted above: a traveling gift the voyagers had no use for and wouldn't know what to do with anyway.I could have just as easily offered a copy of "The Rules" or a transcript of Bill Clinton's record on women's rights...
How the above women would fare under Shaira law is their own problem. I simply want to put them in a position where they would have to find out.

Posted by: David Paglia on September 7, 2002 03:38 PM

I have some money lying around: $100 on that Neo-Nazi Konrad fellow above.

Posted by: addison on September 7, 2002 03:45 PM

Didn't specify earlier. I'm in for $50.00. I love watching the total rise.

Posted by: Colin on September 7, 2002 09:04 PM

I'm in for $50; $100 if it's for Moore.

Posted by: Rodger Schultz on September 7, 2002 10:57 PM

David, I know that. I was speaking hyperbolically, too, just referring to how they would fare under those they wish to defend. I find it utterly amazing that a "feminist" could possibly defend such barbarians.

Posted by: Ken Summers on September 7, 2002 11:15 PM

Tim Blair says to put him down for fifty bucks.

Posted by: Bill Quick on September 8, 2002 01:18 AM

Count me in for twenty each on Shropshire, Chomsky, and Donahue.

And since I'm active duty, I'll throw in a fresh set of desert cammies for 'em too!

Posted by: Greg on September 8, 2002 02:53 AM

Put me down for $20.

Posted by: Robin Goodfellow on September 8, 2002 05:03 AM

$10; a worthy cause. I don't expect I'll need to pay. $20 if Michael Moore is that dope who does the documentaries.

Posted by: Bill Z on September 8, 2002 08:17 AM

I already pledged $20, but I'll up it to $50 if you throw in BraBra Streisand and Cher. 'Course, they will also need to buy two seats apiece though not side-by-side (heh heh)

Posted by: Ken Summers on September 8, 2002 01:01 PM

I already pledged $20, but I'll up it to $50 if you throw in BraBra Streisand and Cher. Actually, better make it $100 - they'll need two seats apiece (not side-by-side, of course...heh heh)

Posted by: Ken Summers on September 8, 2002 01:04 PM

Curses! Once again a comment system has fooled me and made me look like I should be working for Kumbaya HQ.

Posted by: Ken Summers on September 8, 2002 01:06 PM

As a good Jacksonian (Andrew, not Jesse!), put me down for $20. No preference about which idiotarian I sponsor, they're all worthy.

Posted by: BarCodeKing on September 8, 2002 03:31 PM

You know if we don't get the total on Hesiod up higher, he's gonna think he is an insignificant little snot among a batch of more significant snots.

.... hmmm, now that I think about it ...

Posted by: Robin Roberts on September 8, 2002 08:19 PM

For Mark Konrad. I'm 20 year MSgt. You say you are for the status quo. So was Neville Chamberlin.
Status quo gets you an ass licking and a long time catching up. Ask the Brits!

Clean underwear-- better send a bale of underwear along. When the Tomahawks start coming in they going to go through underwear like sh!t through a tin horn.

I was standing Sgt of the guard on the perimeter line watching the Hueys lay down some protecting fire. This was outside of Saigon. They were on my side and it made a beleiver out of me. Awe inspiring.

Yeah we are at war. If you read the news and cannot draw a truthful conclusion from the attacks by the Muslim extremists you must relive Pearl Harbor, Bataan and Corregidor.

The attacks are not happenstance. The message had gone out from the mullahs. Whether you are the Jews, Indians, or Americans you are the target.

Posted by: Al Bee on September 8, 2002 09:11 PM

1, Al BEE, konrad probably has never fired a shot in anger, and probably got rejected for military service.
2, He most definitely would have supported chamberlin as his idol, could run amok that much easier. Hes just an unfortunate, pathic little pantywaist kraut wanna be....

Posted by: lip on September 8, 2002 09:26 PM

I'll kick in $20 for a one-way ticket to Saudi Arabia for Mark the Nazi. He should like it there. No Jews or Homos and woman are treated like cattle. He will just have to bow to Mecca five times a day and all the rest but. A small price to pay for an otherwise Nazi Paradise.

Posted by: Infidel on September 8, 2002 10:51 PM

Is there anyone in the U.S. military who's asked to be relieved from duty rather than risk his/her life in the upcoming fight? I'd pledge $50 per reluctant warrior, but it seems ungenerous to give nothing to such a worthy cause. I'll just pledge $50.

Posted by: Joanne Jacobs on September 9, 2002 02:53 AM

Ms. Jacobs, you don't get a chance, unless you go AWOL. That's pen time. You join the Army, you join no ifs, no buts.

While in Vn, I went off on a rant over the RVN troops. I got jumped on by a junior sargeant. A black SSG(e6)and I took it. I had it coming. If a black sargeant can see the justice in defending a country, BY GOD so should you and I.

Posted by: Al Bee on September 9, 2002 09:34 AM

I'm in for $50 to either ship Shropshire to Afghanistan (for a period of not less than two months) or to launch him into space. This is one reason I'm praying we get cheap, private orbital transport soon (hint, hint Rand).

Posted by: David Perron on September 9, 2002 09:42 AM

Pretty funny how all the chickenhawks are more than willing to put up money to send someone else to Iraq, but NONE OF THEM ARE VOLUNTEERING TO GO OVER AND STAND UP FOR THEIR OWN BELIEFS!

So speaking of SHUTTING UP... howzabout pissing off while you do so?

Posted by: dave on September 9, 2002 12:22 PM

Re dave, been there done that, how about you?
LOL Those guys are being nice. Id like to send them over there in the bags lol.....

Posted by: lip on September 9, 2002 12:28 PM

If I'm allowed to specify the recipient, I will kick in $20 for Donahue. I'll even provide reading material for the flight over--Michael M's recent masterpiece, perhaps. I'd contribute to any or all, but this particular sneering, smirker is at the top of my list. Thank you for the opportunity.

Posted by: Dinah on September 9, 2002 05:09 PM

Who wants to bet more Monet to throw in the pot that Dave has never served a minute in his life? Grab bottom, open sphincter, insert cranium. The war wussies are getting better at this game by the nanosecond.

And again, better a chickenhawk than a rat or a jackass.

Posted by: The Iconoclast on September 9, 2002 10:36 PM

Right Wing News has a link to an article about British idiotarians already on their way to Iraq. The Shropshire slanderer and his pathetic band of co-dependants are late to the party. Donate now to get this plane on the tarmac.

Posted by: Robin Roberts on September 9, 2002 11:08 PM

I'd like to donate $1 each for every cocksnacker like Konrad who pretends not to know that the military is constitutionally placed under civilian control by way of the United States Congress, and that we get to direct the activities of our military forces through said Congress. You and I pay the salaries of military personnel; they take our money, they do our bidding. Every soldier accepts this bargain when he puts on a uniform and cashes a paycheck.

Posted by: The Curmudgeon on September 10, 2002 04:30 AM

Sign me up for $50.00 for any of these idiots.

At some point, maybe someone should look into leasing a plane (very old plane, headed for the junkyard) instead of buying individual tickets. That way all the "human shields" could be shipped off together. It would probably be cheaper.

I did six years in the Army and given the chance, this old "Chickenhawk" would be honored to spread her wings again.

Posted by: CPatterson on September 10, 2002 09:24 AM

Put me down for $50 for any of the following:
Noam Chomsky, Mark Konrad, Norman Mailer, or Michael Moore. If (and fat chance, I think) any of these folks do decide to take the offer, I'll probably be kicking it up to $100. And for those "Why do _you_ go?" folks: I tried AF OTS back in 1987 - was disenrolled for "lack of aptitude" (and Chip Harper, you can kiss my a__). I'd happily go, but, at 36 yrs and with a re-enlistment eligibility code of 4L, I'm probably not the kind of guy today's military is looking for.

Posted by: Bob P. on September 10, 2002 01:27 PM

Rather than lease a jet, I'm sure that United or American has some old jet or turbo-prop laying around some airport that they would be more than happy to donate to such a worthy cause. There is no requirement that the donated plane actually fly any further than 1/2 over the ocean.

If the Chickenhawk Club applies for non-profit status, the lucky airline that donated said plane could take a tax write-off.

Posted by: CPatterson on September 10, 2002 03:34 PM

Ten bucks where it's most needed (fifty if I get a job between now and claim time), plus a hand-knit scarf for the "brutal Afghan winter" for anyone except Noam Chomsky.

Posted by: speedwell on September 10, 2002 04:15 PM

Okay, count me in too for a C-note. I don't qualify as a ChickenHawk, since I'm an active duty officer with the US Army, but what the hell, it'll be fun to send some of these self-appointed Chamberlains off to do their version of "duty, dis-honor, any one else's country".

Posted by: Diggs on September 10, 2002 04:23 PM

I know I am getting a little ahead of myself. But if I start bidding now I can save us 50% off on a nice one way charter. I just need to know how many and when.

So answer boys and girls... got the brass ones to go or NOT.

Posted by: Randy Reynolds on September 10, 2002 06:26 PM

Hell, put me down for $500.00. That's five HUNDRED. I'm good for it. Not like my money's in danger, anyway. If one of these wussies takes me up on it, then I'm out that new digital camera I had my eye on. But it would be worth it if one of these worthless wastes of skin were to be on the business end of a JDAM.

Posted by: David Gillies on September 10, 2002 07:26 PM

Sorry, I've changed my mind, Make it a thousand.

Posted by: David Gillies on September 11, 2002 02:26 AM

This was emailed to me by a friend! Excellent! I'll put 50 on Noam, and 50 on Jackson, and 10 each on the Nation. By the way, I am a travel agent. Need help coordinating?

Posted by: Jenn on September 26, 2002 06:24 PM

Dave send me the money!

Here's my full response over at Warblogger Watch!

[The remainder of this 1,223 word cut-and-paste comment has been deleted. If you want to read it, go over to WarbloggerWatch.]

Posted by: Philip Shropshire on October 14, 2002 03:57 PM

Actually chickenhawks are people who were old enough to serve in Vietnam, who believed in our intervention and who got out of it in various slimy ways. They are people who do not have the curage of their convictions. They are people who had a chance to fight at a time when it was easy to fight or at least joint to stop the commie menance and chose not to. actually worked hard at it. Hell, I went for 3 1/2 years and what an education. I learned while I was over in SEA (not vietnam) what corrupt and putresent regiems we were supporting.

Posted by: Ron on October 16, 2002 09:30 PM

Actually chickenhawks are people who were old enough to serve in Vietnam, who believed in our intervention and who got out of it in various slimy ways. They are people who do not have the curage of their convictions. They are people who had a chance to fight at a time when it was easy to fight or at least joint to stop the commie menance and chose not to. actually worked hard at it. Hell, I went for 3 1/2 years and what an education. I learned while I was over in SEA (not vietnam) what corrupt and putresent regiems we were supporting.

Posted by: Ron on October 16, 2002 09:31 PM

Actually chickenhawks are people who were old enough to serve in Vietnam, who believed in our intervention and who got out of it in various slimy ways. They are people who do not have the curage of their convictions. They are people who had a chance to fight at a time when it was easy to fight or at least joint to stop the commie menance and chose not to. actually worked hard at it. Hell, I went for 3 1/2 years and what an education. I learned while I was over in SEA (not vietnam) what corrupt and putresent regiems we were supporting.

Posted by: Ron on October 16, 2002 09:31 PM

Bad stutter you got there, Ron.

Tell you what - I was old enough for Nam, as were two brothers - two of us went, one Navy & one Marine, the other was held back because of the law (Sole Surviving Son stuff), but went later - Marine, also - only to the Gulf, not Nam. NONE of us regrets it, and ALL of us are in favor of George settling Sorrydamn's ass for good this time around. Unlike the V.C. and co., Hussein's mob will, given time, obliterate EVERYbody if they don't get their own way.

Better live Chickenhawks than glow-in-the-dark everybody. Make room for Ron - I'll cover his fare - no danger he'll be willing to go, anyway.

Posted by: JB on October 18, 2002 04:53 PM

Will all branches of the Military NOT accept people with flat feet?

Posted by: joane on April 11, 2003 12:35 AM